Kitai wrote:LIARS!!

I know this is in my list of things I posted before, but I found out something about a couple of "friends" of mine and I need to vent!!

It takes alot to annoy me, but I'm really, really angry, upset, and disappointed in them.

They've both been doing things behind my back, after lying to me about me about them!!

There was never any need to lie to me! But they've done it anyway.

Nice. ¬_¬

I don't know what you taking about, yet I know what your taking about, maybe the lie was because they were thinking the truth my hurt you. then again what do i know? but they are time when lies are needed

Kitai wrote:LIARS!!

I know this is in my list of things I posted before, but I found out something about a couple of "friends" of mine and I need to vent!!

It takes alot to annoy me, but I'm really, really angry, upset, and disappointed in them.

They've both been doing things behind my back, after lying to me about me about them!!

There was never any need to lie to me! But they've done it anyway.

Nice. ¬_¬

Hmm.... Glad I don't fit underneath this category. I vowed not to lie... three years ago already? Wow.

Species wrote:I don't know what you taking about, yet I know what your taking about, maybe the lie was because they were thinking the truth my hurt you. then again what do i know? but they are time when lies are needed

They knew it wouldn't hurt me, because I'd made that clear to both of them several times.

The only reason I'm hurt now is because they've been lying.

I don't believe lies are ever needed.

I only know vague details, but I do agree that the lying was not needed. If I ever lie, it's usually due to force of habit; for example, before my last gf, it had been 3.5 years since my last gf, so I was used to saying that. Afterwards, however, I was so used to saying "more than 3 years" that I still said it.

Sometimes people resort to lying without thinking, but often correct themselves when they realise or picked up on it.

Chojin wrote:I only know vague details, but I do agree that the lying was not needed. If I ever lie, it's usually due to force of habit; for example, before my last gf, it had been 3.5 years since my last gf, so I was used to saying that. Afterwards, however, I was so used to saying "more than 3 years" that I still said it.

Sometimes people resort to lying without thinking, but often correct themselves when they realise or picked up on it.

What you're talking about is making a mistake, not deliberatly lying to someone.

That's true. Someone deliberately lying is out of order and unnecessary.

they are times when lies are needed in order to protect

But even then there are limits.

Species wrote:they are times when lies are needed in order to protect

No offence, but I don't believe that for a second.

I'd rather be hurt by a truth, than be "saved" by a lie.

Kitai wrote:

Species wrote:they are times when lies are needed in order to protect

No offence, but I don't believe that for a second.

I'd rather be hurt by a truth, than be "saved" by a lie.

let say a person was looking for a mate of mine to beat him up and asked me if i knew where he was I would lie.

Species wrote:

Kitai wrote:

Species wrote:they are times when lies are needed in order to protect

No offence, but I don't believe that for a second.

I'd rather be hurt by a truth, than be "saved" by a lie.

let say a person was looking for a mate of mine to beat him up and asked me if i knew where he was I would lie.

Come off it. That's a completly different ball game and you know it. ¬_¬'

Kitai wrote:

Species wrote:

Kitai wrote:

Species wrote:they are times when lies are needed in order to protect

No offence, but I don't believe that for a second.

I'd rather be hurt by a truth, than be "saved" by a lie.

let say a person was looking for a mate of mine to beat him up and asked me if i knew where he was I would lie.

Come off it. That's a completly different ball game and you know it. ¬_¬'

if a lie is a lie it's not a different ball game, plus i consider withholding something as a lie too

That's a lie of omission, and can't be held against someone, assuming that they would tell the truth if asked

Species wrote:if a lie is a lie it's not a different ball game, plus i consider withholding something as a lie too

I consider with-holding something a lie too. I agree.

But that example you gave is one of the only time a lie is okay. Lemma explain better (if I can)...

To me, a lie is only okay when it's used for saving the world, saving a life, saving someone from serious physical harm, or keeping a nice surprise from someone.

Why is lying okay at these times? Well:

Saving The World
It's obviously okay to tell a lie to save the world from like, a super evil villan or something. You're saving lives by doing this.

Saving A Life
Again, it's obvious why this is okay.

Saving Someone From Serious Physical Harm
Again, obvious. And this actually refers to the lie you gave as an example.

Keeping A Nice Surprise From Someone
This is okay because the person you're temporally lying to will find out soon enough what the surprise is and they will like it and be glad you kept it from them. Nobody is hurt from the truth, or the fact you lied.

Let's move on to why some people lie:

Saving Themselves When They've Done Something Wrong
Some people like to save themselves when they know they've done something wrong. This is not okay at all. If you do this, you're not only an liar, you're a coward from not admitting to what you've done, you're also an asshole for doing something you knew was wrong to do in the first place.

Saving Someone From Emotional Harm
This is wrong too. I'd much rather be hurt with the truth. If something's so bad that it'll hurt someone, then they need to know so they can deal with it, becoming stronger within themselves.

There are more examples, but I think that'll do. I was just trying to explain how I feel about different situations.

As always though, it's each-to-their own. And this is where I think I find the most trouble in life. I have very high morals, and I don't understand how people can so easily hurt others in this world.

Kitai wrote:
Saving Someone From Emotional Harm
This is wrong too. I'd much rather be hurt with the truth. If something's so bad that it'll hurt someone, then they need to know so they can deal with it, becoming stronger within themselves.

I agree with this some what, but part of me does not, depending on what the lie is about and the Emotional state of the person that is being lied too.

also if a mate tell me some information, let say they are sick and tell me not 2 say a thing too anyone about it, and i agree to this, then if asked by anyone I would lie.
to me a promise from me out weights a lie to someone, and i only make promises that i will keep.

also Kitai you have justified in your eyes when it is ok to lie, which some people may agree with but you also stated that you have a "very high morals" which is not a correct statement in my eye's. you have your own morals that you live your life by and others have theirs, just because someone lies cheats or steals does not mean they don't have high morals it just means that they differ.